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Erstellt am: 27.07. 2011 13:30
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hier einen Guid den ich heute gefunden habe und wie ich finde sich sehr solide liest. klar bissl mehr micro am anfang ist erforderlich aber klingt wirklich durchdacht und spiegelt das wieder was auch meine gedanken sind.
You only need to overlord scout on 2 player maps. 12 or 13 scout should be fine on 4 player maps. The only information you need is whether or not he fast expanded. However, it’s very important in any zvz situation to have a line of overlords from his base to your base and to actually use the scouting info it gives.
The Build Order
15 hatch
15 pool
17 extractor
If you scout 6 lings and/or 2 drones !@#$%
Don’t worry, this build can hold 6-10 pools!
Cancel your hatch and your extractor if you can.
Keep building drones to 18/18, then build an overlord
When the 6 lings and/or drones get to your base, pull all 18 drones, send 4 to each spine crawler and chase away the lings with the remaining 10 or 14 drones.
As soon as your pool finishes, you should have at least 400-450 minerals saved up from canceling your hatch, so you can build 6 lings, a queen and a spine crawler.
The micro takes practice, so don’t get discouraged if it doesn’t work the first time or two.
Practice against a friend to avoid losing ladder points >.<
If you scout an empty natural:
No more drones until you’ve held off the attack/all-in. Also, keep all your drones in your main.
Roach warren and 1 queen as soon as your pool finishes. Don’t make a 2nd queen until you hold off the attack.
Skip metabolic boost until later. If you’re on defense it won’t matter.
6-10 lings based on how many you see coming at your with your overlords (don’t make more than 10, because you need minerals for roaches)
3-5 roaches when warren finishes, send them to the gap between your ramp and your natural hatchery. Be ready to back them up to the ramp to prevent ling runby or move down to the hatch to scare lings away from attacking it.
Now you have to figure out if he’s going pure speedling or speedling/baneling
Speedling:
No more roaches (this is a big reason people lose to speedling all-ins. Building more than 4-5 roaches against a speedling all-inner is a guarunteed loss).
pump nothing but lings
pay close attention to whether or not more reinforcements are coming. When they stop coming for a while, he might be droning, try to send a ling or two in and count his drones/scout tech and army size.
Speedling/Baneling:
Make as many roaches as you can off of 1 extractor and use excess minerals on lings
One tell is that he’ll have less speedlings than a speedling all-inner has and he’ll try to hide them for the baneling morph.
Try not to let him morph banelings too close to your base. Scare him away and make him have to make them far away and then waddle back. But be careful since you won’t have speed on your lings.
Try to have a good overlord spread to help you spot morphing banelings.
When the speedling/baneling attack comes, pretend like you’re a terran that has marine/tank and is running from banelings. You attack with your lings until the banelings get close, then you kite the banelings around your roaches so your roaches can kill the banelings. It’s also great if they blow up on your roaches. Once all the banelings are dead, kill off his remaining lings with roach/lings.
If you hold off either of these all-ins, you should win. You can pump drones much faster than he can and you have two bases already. Make sure not to mass roaches and then move out without roach speed though, he can ling runby your minerals.
If you scout a fast expand:
make 2 queens when pool finishes
6-8 lings for scouting purposes. If he makes lings too for scouting, send 1 of yours for scouting and send the rest back to defend.
metabolic boost with first 100 gas
use those lings to find out if he’s droning or not, making a bunch of lings or built a baneling nest or roach warren or lair
If you scout him droning, you have two choices: a) drone yourself or b) make about 12-16 more lings and try to punish him if he made too many drones or went straight for roaches without making any speedlings
Next, you basically want to know the timing of his roach warren and make yours a little bit after him
Now you’re in a macro game, tech to lair, get your 2nd and 3rd gas, throw down 2 evo chambers if you want
Drone up as much as you can while keeping tabs on his roach count. Your goal is to keep your roach count just lower than his count so that if he attacks you can make more while he moves across the map.
Eventually take your 4th gas, take your 3rd base, maybe make a macro hatch, keep massing roaches or transition into roach/infestor or roach/hydra (roach/hydra may be obsolete now)
Eventually you can add ultras or broodlords, idk, I never make it that far.
You only need to overlord scout on 2 player maps. 12 or 13 scout should be fine on 4 player maps. The only information you need is whether or not he fast expanded. However, it’s very important in any zvz situation to have a line of overlords from his base to your base and to actually use the scouting info it gives.
The Build Order
15 hatch
15 pool
17 extractor
If you scout 6 lings and/or 2 drones !@#$%
Don’t worry, this build can hold 6-10 pools!
Cancel your hatch and your extractor if you can.
Keep building drones to 18/18, then build an overlord
When the 6 lings and/or drones get to your base, pull all 18 drones, send 4 to each spine crawler and chase away the lings with the remaining 10 or 14 drones.
As soon as your pool finishes, you should have at least 400-450 minerals saved up from canceling your hatch, so you can build 6 lings, a queen and a spine crawler.
The micro takes practice, so don’t get discouraged if it doesn’t work the first time or two.
Practice against a friend to avoid losing ladder points >.<
If you scout an empty natural:
No more drones until you’ve held off the attack/all-in. Also, keep all your drones in your main.
Roach warren and 1 queen as soon as your pool finishes. Don’t make a 2nd queen until you hold off the attack.
Skip metabolic boost until later. If you’re on defense it won’t matter.
6-10 lings based on how many you see coming at your with your overlords (don’t make more than 10, because you need minerals for roaches)
3-5 roaches when warren finishes, send them to the gap between your ramp and your natural hatchery. Be ready to back them up to the ramp to prevent ling runby or move down to the hatch to scare lings away from attacking it.
Now you have to figure out if he’s going pure speedling or speedling/baneling
Speedling:
No more roaches (this is a big reason people lose to speedling all-ins. Building more than 4-5 roaches against a speedling all-inner is a guarunteed loss).
pump nothing but lings
pay close attention to whether or not more reinforcements are coming. When they stop coming for a while, he might be droning, try to send a ling or two in and count his drones/scout tech and army size.
Speedling/Baneling:
Make as many roaches as you can off of 1 extractor and use excess minerals on lings
One tell is that he’ll have less speedlings than a speedling all-inner has and he’ll try to hide them for the baneling morph.
Try not to let him morph banelings too close to your base. Scare him away and make him have to make them far away and then waddle back. But be careful since you won’t have speed on your lings.
Try to have a good overlord spread to help you spot morphing banelings.
When the speedling/baneling attack comes, pretend like you’re a terran that has marine/tank and is running from banelings. You attack with your lings until the banelings get close, then you kite the banelings around your roaches so your roaches can kill the banelings. It’s also great if they blow up on your roaches. Once all the banelings are dead, kill off his remaining lings with roach/lings.
If you hold off either of these all-ins, you should win. You can pump drones much faster than he can and you have two bases already. Make sure not to mass roaches and then move out without roach speed though, he can ling runby your minerals.
If you scout a fast expand:
make 2 queens when pool finishes
6-8 lings for scouting purposes. If he makes lings too for scouting, send 1 of yours for scouting and send the rest back to defend.
metabolic boost with first 100 gas
use those lings to find out if he’s droning or not, making a bunch of lings or built a baneling nest or roach warren or lair
If you scout him droning, you have two choices: a) drone yourself or b) make about 12-16 more lings and try to punish him if he made too many drones or went straight for roaches without making any speedlings
Next, you basically want to know the timing of his roach warren and make yours a little bit after him
Now you’re in a macro game, tech to lair, get your 2nd and 3rd gas, throw down 2 evo chambers if you want
Drone up as much as you can while keeping tabs on his roach count. Your goal is to keep your roach count just lower than his count so that if he attacks you can make more while he moves across the map.
Eventually take your 4th gas, take your 3rd base, maybe make a macro hatch, keep massing roaches or transition into roach/infestor or roach/hydra (roach/hydra may be obsolete now)
Eventually you can add ultras or broodlords, idk, I never make it that far.
